[Frugalware-devel] enabling services by default in upstart?

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2007. június 20. dátummal Gabriel C ezt írta:
> I agree with you but the 'server' side doesn't matter at all as long we
> don't have any 'server edition release'.
I have to disagree since I don't get the difference between a 'server' and 
a 'desktop' edition.

> All we have by now official are 'Desktop' images not server not foo not bar
> and 'all sort packages' to run FW as server for advanced users/admins.
I haven't seen any 'desktop' releases, but only 'frugalware' ones. I am 
administering several servers in different environments (hosting for several 
domains, small bussinness gateway/file server, school, etc.), and I don't 
have any drawbacks. To be honest, I don't want to have any drawbacks and/or 
regressions because of switching to upstart, and 
enabling-everything-per-default is a drawback for me.

> Said 95% of all users installs Frugalware 'as is' for the 'Desktop' and
> this is where we have to care for now.
You have reason, but I haven't seen any statistics on this topic yet.

> Once we have a real 'server iso and install support for it and whatever
> server repos or the like' we can start to care but till then ..
Well, why do we have eg. 'apache' in our repos? This is not needed for 
a 'desktop' install at all. There are several others of this kind: eg. *ftpd, 
MTA's, SQL servers... So I do understand your point of view, but it's 
baseless, as we do have everything in our repo, regardless of 
it's 'server'-like or 'desktop'-like kind, and we do support all of them.

To sum up: I really appreciate Alex's (and others') work regarding to upstart, 
but enabling every service on install is a bad idea. OTOH there is a place 
where we can use your differentation between 'server' and 'desktop' stuff: if 
a service is needed for 'desktop' usage (eg. udev, alsa, etc.), let's enable 
it (as we mostly do it now), but if it's a 'server'-like service (eg. httpd, 
sqld, ftpd, etc.), I don't want it to be enabled by default. AFAIK upstart 
can handle this, all we have to do is implementing it. Where can I give you a 
hand on this topic?
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